EP. REVIEW: Oshi no Ko Season 2 [11/11] - Forum (2024)

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Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2024 1:41 pm

jdnation wrote:

Next season seems to hint at a move being made? I didn't quite catch the script and other stuff happening in quick cuts, but I'm guessing that's the next major arc, which may see Ruby acting, maybe alongside Aqua, or maybe Aqua is putting his own life together and wants to pursue making his own movie that he'll write and direct himself? That'll be interesting, if Aqua and Director-san maybe an independent project together, and of course pull in help from their own circle of Kanna, Akane and step-Bro who are willing to schedule time to help. I wonder if Aqua will also finally introduce Ruby to her step-brother and maybe the two of them do some sleuthing of their own on the side? It could be the case that Season 3 is a Ruby-led affair and Aqua takes a step back from the spotlight?

Guess we'll see... Ooooooohhh... the wait is going to be long... It'll take real effort not to succumb to reading the manga...

Man, another great season from this show! I'm eagerly awaiting the next round and the blu-ray release.

So I paused on the screen with the script on it and the text on the lefthand side is Proposal, and the text in the center is "The 15 Year Lie (Provisional)" I wonder if it's goiing to be tied directly into the search for Ai's killer or if it'll be similar to the Tokyo Blade play from this season.

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OpenYourEels4TheNextFeels
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Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2024 2:07 pm

db999 wrote:

So I paused on the screen with the script on it and the text on the lefthand side is Proposal, and the text in the center is "The 15 Year Lie (Provisional)" I wonder if it's goiing to be tied directly into the search for Ai's killer or if it'll be similar to the Tokyo Blade play from this season.


So one of the biggest changes the very first episode of the anime made from the manga is that it skipped over the first page of 8 of the 10 chapters it adapted (Chapters 2-9). These 8 "first-page-of-the-chapters"s were spoiler[flash-forwards framed as promotional interviews for a film titled "The 15 Year Lie" with (2) Ruby (Labeled "Actor"), (3) Miyako, (4) the Idol Otaku from the new B-Komachi's first performance who was a fan of the first B-Komachi, (5) The Director (Labeled "Film Director"), (6) Kana (Labeled "Actor"), (7) Ruby & Aqua's Kindergarten teacher, (8) The Ex-Manager of Strawberry production who disappeared & left everything to Miyako after Ai's death, and (9) Aqua (Labeled "Actor"). Of note being that the direct said at the end of his interview that the movie was "Dedicated to Ai"]

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tintor2

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Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2024 3:58 pm

So something will eventually make Aqua go back to his revenge quest but it's kinda twisted how Ruby might reignite such desire when she is playing. Suggesting season 3's poster it seems the Idol group might have a bigger role while Akane and Aqua might be less active . Maybe Mamoru Miyano's character will trigger something on Aqua? I don't also see Akane helping Aqua that the dad is alive considering last time she notes Aqua was completely stressed with his revenge to the point he is apparently telling himself to stop thinking about that. The only one I can see convincing Aqua is himself: Goro. In season 2 Goro talked to Aqua like they should seek their quest rather than living happily

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Shay Guy
Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2024 4:32 pm

OpenYourEels4TheNextFeels wrote:

So one of the biggest changes the very first episode of the anime made from the manga is that it skipped over the first page of 8 of the 10 chapters it adapted (Chapters 2-9). These 8 "first-page-of-the-chapters"s were spoiler[flash-forwards framed as promotional interviews for a film titled "The 15 Year Lie" with (2) Ruby (Labeled "Actor"), (3) Miyako, (4) the Idol Otaku from the new B-Komachi's first performance who was a fan of the first B-Komachi, (5) The Director (Labeled "Film Director"), (6) Kana (Labeled "Actor"), (7) Ruby & Aqua's Kindergarten teacher, (8) The Ex-Manager of Strawberry production who disappeared & left everything to Miyako after Ai's death, and (9) Aqua (Labeled "Actor"). Of note being that the direct said at the end of his interview that the movie was "Dedicated to Ai"]

Small correction, looking at my copy: spoiler[No two characters are given the same label. Ruby's interview is headed with "Interview : 【Idol】 Edition", though the question she's responding to is "—This will be your first acting job. How do you feel about it?" Kana's "Actress" label is only slightly different from Aqua's "Actor" label, though.]

It's also not clear in volume 1 spoiler[just how connected all the interview clips are. Gotanda's asked about his upcoming project, The 15-Year Lie, and he says he's worked with the main cast since they were little, but it's not explicitly stated that this is the project Ruby's talking about in her interview (though she does also say she'll have Aqua by her side). Miyako and the kindergarten teacher are being asked about the twins, the idol otaku in the street (with a paper fan of Ruby's face!) is answering a question about what idols he's liked by talking about Ai, Kana's responding to a comment about her "genius actress" reputation. Ichigo is being asked about his disappearance (uniquely, the interviewer has regular speech bubbles here), and Aqua talks about why he acts.]

tintor2 wrote:

The only one I can see convincing Aqua is himself: Goro. In season 2 Goro talked to Aqua like they should seek their quest rather than living happily

Aqua's pretty thoroughly convinced himself at this point that Seijuro Uehara was his father, but if anyone points out the flaws in that theory, he's not likely to brush them off easily. The only question is who would, since Akane now has no reason to burst his bubble. Not many people know about Aqua's revenge quest in the first place, let alone why he's abandoned it.

I think he would only tell someone else about finding his half-brother in the same context he told Akane -- explaining why he walked away from his revenge. But who else would he be having that conversation with, and who would benefit from him falling off the wagon?

(Tsukuyomi presumably knows exactly who the father is, especially considering that crow that prompted Ruby to leave Ai's grave, but she seems content to mess with Ruby for now.)

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jdnation
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Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2024 5:13 pm

OpenYourEels4TheNextFeels wrote:

So one of the biggest changes the very first episode of the anime made from the manga is that it skipped over the first page of 8 of the 10 chapters it adapted (Chapters 2-9). These 8 "first-page-of-the-chapters"s were spoiler[flash-forwards framed as promotional interviews for a film titled "The 15 Year Lie" with (2) Ruby (Labeled "Actor"), (3) Miyako, (4) the Idol Otaku from the new B-Komachi's first performance who was a fan of the first B-Komachi, (5) The Director (Labeled "Film Director"), (6) Kana (Labeled "Actor"), (7) Ruby & Aqua's Kindergarten teacher, (8) The Ex-Manager of Strawberry production who disappeared & left everything to Miyako after Ai's death, and (9) Aqua (Labeled "Actor"). Of note being that the direct said at the end of his interview that the movie was "Dedicated to Ai"]


Since this involved the first pages of the manga's early chapters, I figured I'd read the spoiler. But it's not too bad and seems to be what I thought.

I'm also thinking that by making a movie like that, it may provoke their father into seeking them out. A way of drawing him out towards them, I suppose. It's a brilliant maneuver, so I'm guessing that's exactly what it is!

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yeehaw

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Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2024 5:43 pm

tintor2 wrote:

I don't also see Akane helping Aqua that the dad is alive considering last time she notes Aqua was completely stressed with his revenge to the point he is apparently telling himself to stop thinking about that.


She mentions in this episode that she's not planning on telling him. I think during the bath scene

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MFrontier
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Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2024 7:49 pm

Did the police really need to bring Ruby to an interrogation room to question her? I mean, they left Akane at the scene. I guess it's probably standard procedure but it just made it feel like she was a suspect.

It's funny how Aqua apologizes for putting Akane in a situation where she'd find a dead body when she seemed surprisingly unbothered by it.

Nothing says Akane genuinely loved Aqua so much as her tears as she tries to break things off with him for his sake. And he responds to those feelings by apparently returning them and kissing her. I guess it means he is attracted to her, though it also might be that he's given up on being with Kana and as such Akane is a more viable option and he feels indebted enough to her to try.

Thank you for the convenient exposition, Crow Girl! Honestly in a setting where reincarnation is a factor, I can't really complain about more supernatural interference.

Dark Ruby is born! Now with two dark star eyes to contrast with her brothers' one because she's driven by the death of two of her loved ones! The Hoshino siblings twinning in the most tragic way possible!

I genuinely wonder who Miyako is most worried might get involved in a scandal.

I love how the one thing that can distract Detective Akane is a kiss.

Poor, poor Kana. Ending the season on a big L. She's the most cordial and respectful of Akane that she's ever been, actually gives her good professional advice and even talks about envying her, and then she finds out Akane and Aqua might be seriously going out now. You can see the exact moment her heart broke in two.

The irony is Ruby figured out Aqua is investigating their mothers' murder and thinks they're now working together while completely oblivious that he's given up his revenge, with only Akane knowing the full truth and not being willing to tell them. All the while their father (who is basically Aqua with long hair) has killed again. Is he some star-eyed serial killer? And they really brought in Ikumi Hasegawa for that!?

FilthyCasual wrote:
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somebody told me (correctly!) that Aqua speaks with Akane like an intellectual equal, but treats Kana like a child.

This is a large part of why I lost my ability to ship Kana with Aqua. She has no awareness or ability to push back against him manipulating her or playing cat's cradle with her heartstrings.

Anyways the episode, like the season, was fantastic. Ruby's black stars and frightening expressions in the music video naturally suck in your attention, totally negating Memcho and Kana. I'm excited to see what new visual flourishes Doga Kobo will add.


I think that's part of why Aqua appreciates about being with Kana.

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jdnation
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Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2024 12:52 am

yeehaw wrote:

She mentions in this episode that she's not planning on telling him. I think during the bath scene

It was implied by her not giving Ruby any details because she doesn't want to set him thinking again. I think she is just stuck in a dilemma over what to do, and would rather piece things together first. Aqua could be right, in her mind, she herself wishes he is, but his conclusion is not airtight.

MFrontier wrote:

Did the police really need to bring Ruby to an interrogation room to question her? I mean, they left Akane at the scene. I guess it's probably standard procedure but it just made it feel like she was a suspect.

Yes, but also she was likely distraught, so the best thing was to take her away from the scene.

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Nothing says Akane genuinely loved Aqua so much as her tears as she tries to break things off with him for his sake. And he responds to those feelings by apparently returning them and kissing her. I guess it means he is attracted to her, though it also might be that he's given up on being with Kana and as such Akane is a more viable option and he feels indebted enough to her to try.

I don't think he sees Kana as a romantic interest. He does find her cute and likes talking to her. He doesn't even seem to realize Kana has romantic feelings for him, given his actions from choosing Akane on the reality show, having to disguise himself as Pieyon to talk to her, not knowing why she was upset, nonchalantly telling everyone in the car he is only fake-dating Akane while not picking up on Kana's relief, obliviously in a row taking idol Kana out to dinner without it occuring to him that it was date-like, and bringing Akane on the trip without seeing Kana's motive. Everyone else has to remind him that he might be leading Kana on, but it doesn't occur to him.

I do think his feelings for Akane are genuine, but they didn't solidify until that moment. Aside from him respecting her talents, she is the only one he opened up to about his true motives, and THAT alone is a VERY big deal. He has never been that open with Kana.

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Thank you for the convenient exposition, Crow Girl! Honestly in a setting where reincarnation is a factor, I can't really complain about more supernatural interference.

Thinking about that scene, I'm settling upon the idea that it was a dream sequence. It probably occurred sometime between Ruby's bedtime after coming home from the police, and filming by the riverside. That was most likely a morning shoot. So Ruby didn't have time to visit the hospital, and was already in posession of the information by the river. Doubt she left the group either to randomly go to the hospital before the shrine. That she asks no further questions of the girl's identity or how she's knows anything also suggests a dream logic wherein the god inspired her within her mind.

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yeehaw

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Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2024 10:13 am

MFrontier wrote:

Did the police really need to bring Ruby to an interrogation room to question her? I mean, they left Akane at the scene. I guess it's probably standard procedure but it just made it feel like she was a suspect.

The police will question anyone who finds a body just like they will question anyone who witnesses a crime. I'm sure they questioned Akane though, her overhearing the cops probably happened after they arrived and before being taken to the station.
They wouldn't leave Akane to hang around a crime scene after all

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